2012年12月5日水曜日

桂林上空でP-38に惨敗


某巨大掲示板のスレにMIssion speedとCruise speedの違いを問う質問にレスがつかず放置されているのに気付きました。質問して答えてもらえないって悲しいことなので、回答を書き込もうとしたら規制されてるって表示されて書けませんでした。きっとほかにも回答を試みた人がいてこの規制っていうのに引っかかってレスがついていないのでしょう。質問した人がこのブログを見ているかどうかは不明ですが、私なりの回答(初稿ではCruiseとMissionを勘違いして逆にしてありました。コメントでご指摘を受け、訂正しました)をすると、
  • Cruise speedを指示したTFは常に最も経済的な速度で航行する。この速度は故障の発生しにくい速度でもあるので、損傷のひどい艦船を回航するのに最適。
  • Mission speedを指示したTFもふだんは最も経済的な速度で航行する。しかし必要があれば、速度を上げる。例えば、敵の気配を察知すると、輸送船やタンカーTFだと速度を上げて逃げるし、水上戦闘TFやASW TFだと速度を上げて敵に接近する。特段の理由がなければ、TFにはこのMission speeddを指定すべき。
となります。さて、昨日のエントリーで12月29日に中国戦線でP-38にしてやられた事件に触れ、P-38対策は困難で、sweep任務の戦闘機を爆撃機に先行させるようにするくらいかなと書きました。昭和17年12月31日、広東から桂林空襲を計画しました。まず、午前中に一式戦二型(Ki-43-IIa Oscar) 30機がsweepを行いました。30機がまとまってsweepできればいいのですが、sweepは2波に分かれやすい仕様になっているようで、27機と3機に分かれてsweepしました。桂林上空ではP-38F Lightning 25機と、P-38G Lightning 25機の合計50機がLRCAPしていました。50機もいるということは、重慶に配置されているP-38全機に桂林へのLRCAPを指示したのでしょうね。それにしてもどうして今日桂林に日本の空襲があることが分かってしまうのか。私の攻撃のパターンが完全に読まれてしまっているようです。まずい。

sweepした一式戦二型は13機(空戦で11機、Ops loss 2機)を喪失。今日のP-38の損失機数は13機(F型 9機、G型 4機)で、やはりG型の方が手強いようです。また午後にも空戦がありましたが、午後の戦闘はやられっぱなしだったので、P-38の損失のほとんどは午前のsweepによるものだろうと思います。格上の機種を相手に一式戦二型がそれなりによく戦えた理由のひとつはsweep>CAPの有利さがあったこと。もう一つは、高度6000フィートでsweepさせたことかなと思っています。P-38は高度30000フィートでCAPしていました。戦闘機同士の空戦では高所に位置している側がdive and zoomを生かせて有利に戦えます。でもP-38と一式戦を比較して一式戦が優れているところは低空でのmanueverぐらいなのであえて6000フィートで行かせてみました。

午前のsweeperとの戦いの後も桂林上空にはP-38F Lightning 12機とP-38G Lightning 24が残っていました。ここに一式戦一型(Ki-43-Ic Oscar) 12機の護衛で九七重爆(Ki-21-IIa Sally) 11機と百式重爆(Ki-49-IIa Helen) 41機が向かいました。いかにも護衛の戦闘機の数が少く、爆撃機も3波にわかれてしまって、うち2波には護衛がつきませんでした。結果、目を背けたくなるようなターキーシュートの連続。午後の空襲部隊のうち、一式戦一型8機、九七重爆7機、百式重爆39機を失う大惨事となってしまいました。午前の空戦ともあわせると、今日桂林に向かった日本機94機のうち67機を失ったことになります。パイロットのMIA 19名、WIA 3名、KIA 40名!と靖国も大忙し。爆撃の戦果はAirbase hits 2、Airbase supply hits 1、Runway hits 8とごくわずかでした。大晦日の戦闘がこんな状況で、1943年は暗い新年になってしまいました。

広東配置の重爆隊は再建に一週間近くかかりそうです。というか、これほどの被害を受けても一週間で再建できてしまうことの方が異常で、航空戦のテンポが速すぎるのはこのゲームの欠点の一つではあります。さらに戦闘機隊の方はもう少し早く再建できそうなので、二式戦に機種転換してsweep、sweep、sweep。P-38のbuild rateはそれほど速くないはずなので、陸軍パイロットと陸軍機を安売りするみたいで申し訳ないのですが、一式戦や二式戦とP-38の交換レートが2対1くらいまでなら望むところ、と前向きに考えることにします。










AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 31, 42
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ASW attack near Truk  at 114,105

Japanese Ships
      DD Kasumi

Allied Ships
      SS Haddock

SS Haddock is sighted by escort
DD Kasumi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kasumi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kasumi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kasumi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kasumi fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Sub attack near Guam  at 105,93

Japanese Ships
      DD Shiratsuyu
      DD Umikaze

Allied Ships
      SS Silversides

SS Silversides launches 2 torpedoes at DD Shiratsuyu
DD Umikaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Umikaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Morning Air attack on Kweilin , at 76,54 

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
      Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 27

Allied aircraft
      P-38F Lightning x 25
      P-38G Lightning x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
      P-38F Lightning: 3 destroyed

CAP engaged:
51st FG/25th FS with P-38G Lightning (25 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
      (25 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
      25 plane(s) intercepting now.
      Group patrol altitude is 30000 
      Raid is overhead
23rd FG/75th FS with P-38F Lightning (25 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
      (25 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
      25 plane(s) intercepting now.
      Group patrol altitude is 30000 
      Raid is overhead



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Morning Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45 

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
      Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 37

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
      37 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Nanyang , at 85,45 

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
      Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 17

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
      17 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 6000 feet



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Morning Air attack on 52nd Field AA Battalion, at 98,124 , near Madang

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
      P-40E Warhawk x 24

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
      24 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 25000 feet



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Morning Air attack on 52nd Field AA Battalion, at 98,124 , near Madang

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
      P-40E Warhawk x 24

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
      24 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 25000 feet



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Morning Air attack on 52nd Field AA Battalion, at 98,124 , near Madang

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
      P-40E Warhawk x 25

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
      25 x P-40E Warhawk sweeping at 25000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Paoshan , at 65,45 

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
      Ki-49-IIa Helen x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-49-IIa Helen: 3 damaged
      Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 destroyed by flak

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 28

Aircraft Attacking:
      22 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
               Airfield Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Kweilin , at 76,54 

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
      Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 3

Allied aircraft
      P-38F Lightning x 13
      P-38G Lightning x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

CAP engaged:
51st FG/25th FS with P-38G Lightning (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
      25 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
      Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 7000.
      Time for all group planes to reach interception is 75 minutes
23rd FG/75th FS with P-38F Lightning (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
      13 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
      Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
      Time for all group planes to reach interception is 267 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45 

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
      Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 4

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
       4 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet



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Morning Air attack on Paoshan , at 65,45 

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
      Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 30
      Ki-49-IIa Helen x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-49-IIa Helen: 6 damaged

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
      29 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
               Airfield Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Nanyang , at 85,45 

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
      Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 2

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
       2 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 6000 feet



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Afternoon Air attack on 92nd Chinese Corps, at 85,45 (Nanyang)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
      Ki-21-IIa Sally x 7
      Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 22
      Ki-49-IIa Helen x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-49-IIa Helen: 3 damaged

Allied ground losses:
      415 casualties reported
         Squads: 5 destroyed, 25 disabled
         Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 28 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
      16 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      16 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       7 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 82nd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 16th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 92nd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 82nd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 92nd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 82nd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 92nd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 82nd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 16th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 92nd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 82nd Chinese Corps ...


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Afternoon Air attack on 92nd Chinese Corps, at 85,45 (Nanyang)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
      Ki-21-IIa Sally x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
      105 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
      17 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on 3rd Motor Brigade, at 72,129 , near Wyndham

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
      Ki-49-IIa Helen x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
      21 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
      12 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet * 
               Ground Attack:  2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on Kweilin , at 76,54 

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
      Ki-21-IIa Sally x 11
      Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 12
      Ki-49-IIa Helen x 10

Allied aircraft
      P-38F Lightning x 12
      P-38G Lightning x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
      Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 4 destroyed
      Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
      P-38G Lightning: 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
       5 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
               Airfield Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       9 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
               Airfield Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
51st FG/25th FS with P-38G Lightning (24 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
      (24 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
      24 plane(s) intercepting now.
      Group patrol altitude is 30000 
      Raid is overhead
23rd FG/75th FS with P-38F Lightning (12 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
      (12 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
      12 plane(s) intercepting now.
      Group patrol altitude is 30000 
      Raid is overhead



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Afternoon Air attack on 3rd Motor Brigade, at 72,129 , near Wyndham

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
      Ki-49-IIa Helen x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
      18 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
      12 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on 76th Chinese Corps, at 85,45 (Nanyang)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
      Ki-21-IIa Sally x 18
      Ki-49-IIa Helen x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 damaged
      Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
      226 casualties reported
         Squads: 2 destroyed, 15 disabled
         Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
      21 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      18 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on Kweilin , at 76,54 

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
      Ki-49-IIa Helen x 20

Allied aircraft
      P-38F Lightning x 10
      P-38G Lightning x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-49-IIa Helen: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
       2 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
               Airfield Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
51st FG/25th FS with P-38G Lightning (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
      21 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
      Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 13000.
      Time for all group planes to reach interception is 54 minutes
23rd FG/75th FS with P-38F Lightning (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
      10 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
      Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 6000.
      Time for all group planes to reach interception is 47 minutes



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Afternoon Air attack on Kweilin , at 76,54 

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
      Ki-49-IIa Helen x 11

Allied aircraft
      P-38F Lightning x 7
      P-38G Lightning x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-49-IIa Helen: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

CAP engaged:
51st FG/25th FS with P-38G Lightning (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
      17 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
      Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 6000.
      Time for all group planes to reach interception is 510 minutes
23rd FG/75th FS with P-38F Lightning (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
      7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
      Group patrol altitude is 30000 , scrambling fighters to 6000.
      Time for all group planes to reach interception is 173 minutes



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ASW attack near Truk  at 114,105

Japanese Ships
      DD Kishinami
      DD Kasumi

Allied Ships
      SS Haddock

SS Haddock is located by DD Kishinami
DD Kasumi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kasumi attacking submerged sub ....
DD Kasumi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kasumi fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kasumi fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Ground combat at Nanyang (85,45)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 61951 troops, 605 guns, 246 vehicles, Assault Value = 2182

Defending force 156159 troops, 599 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4532

Japanese ground losses:
      13 casualties reported
         Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
      187 casualties reported
         Squads: 4 destroyed, 12 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
    36th Division
    70th Division
    35th Division
    110th Division
    32nd Division
    Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
    3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
    10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
    2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
    20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
    6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
    12th Army
    11th Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
    57th Chinese Corps
    36th Chinese Corps
    16th Chinese Corps
    90th Chinese Corps
    92nd Chinese Corps
    61st Chinese Corps
    91st Chinese Corps
    34th Chinese Corps
    82nd Chinese Corps
    77th Chinese Corps
    47th Chinese Corps
    1st Chinese Corps
    41st Chinese Corps
    3rd Chinese Corps
    76th Chinese Corps
    33rd Chinese Corps
    23rd Chinese Corps
    17th Chinese Corps
    4th Chinese Cavalry Corps
    4th Group Army
    8th Group Army
    Red Chinese Army
    22nd Group Army
    7th Group Army
    6th Group Army
    2nd War Area 
    34th Group Army
    5th War Area 
    19th Chinese Base Force



4 件のコメント:

ぱくまる さんのコメント...

mission speedとcruise speedの説明が逆になっているのではと思いますがいかがでしょうか。

以前、貴ブログでTFの速力について解説したフォーラム記事を読んだとき、私は
mission speed=普段は経済速度で巡航、戦闘時・待避時は直ちに増速できる。
(ボイラーに全て火が入っており、蒸気圧を上げている状態をシミュレート)

cruise speed=普段は経済速度でジュンク、戦闘・待避時に増速できるが、時間がかかる。
(いくつかのボイラーが停まっており、蒸気圧を上げるのに時間がかかる状態をシミュレート)

と理解しておりました。

ともも さんのコメント...

質問したのは私です。
ありがとうございました。

TFの挙動がよくわからないときにあり、その原因が速度設定かもと思いましたが、どちらも基本速度は同じようですので違うようです。

予定よりも時々遅い時があるんですよね。

eastgate さんのコメント...

初めてコメントします。
cruise speed と mission speed の解説は単純に逆だと思います。マニュアルにも記述があったはずです。

実はこのゲームは発売当時からプレイしていて、古くはDOSで動いていたPacific War時代からのこのシリーズのファンです。(年がばれる)
もっとも最近はプレイするよりデータベースをいじっていることが多いですが。
このページもかなり前からROMさせてもらっていて有益な情報に感謝しております。
あ、中国上空の大損害ご愁傷様です。当分はsweepとcapに専念したらいかがでしょうか。では、また機会があったらコメントします。

somali さんのコメント...

お三方、コメントありがとうございます。

ばくまる様、ご指摘の通り、missionとcruiseと逆になっていました。訂正いたしました。

ともも様、ばくまる様にご指摘いただいたとおり、うっかりmissionとcruiseと逆にしてありました。ご注意くださいません。

eastgate様、ご教示ありがとうございます。